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Its a good game, but it has many flaws.
« on: February 28, 2012, 07:54:34 AM »
Fortune summoners is a fun interesting game, but it has many flaws...flaws that make the game annoying.

I like many things about the game but it has many "problems" too.

So far i have reached the wind temple part.

  • Characters AI is not smart: This is specially annoying with sana, that only uses shield and runs around the map instead of use her ice magic.
  • Low "control response": While enemies have fast attacks, play with keyboard make character movements to "ignore commands" so i ahve to press rigth 2-3 times before archer stops attacking and turns to the rigth.
  • Enemy AI is smart....VERY smart: Those green lizard mages are a great example, they can use the same ice spells that sana, but unlike sana, they use them efficiently. They heal their allies and constantly use their ice skills. Can't the player characters have this smart AI?
  • Lack of useful items in shops: no resurrect item available in store in the first days, im guessing the player has to go get the item and put give them to the store, so the store will have it available.
  • Can't escape dungeons unless spend 10% of money: The wind temple entrace is flooded with water so if you enter with sana and then, while exploring the dungeons, sana is defeated by enemies (something very common for a character with low HP) then you are trapped. You can't go forward because sana ability is needed and you can't go back because...sana ability is needed to escape. Which means that need to spend 10% of money for escape.
  • Expensive items: basically any armor that may make exploring a little easier cost 500 coins+.

Im not going to say "this game has only flaws" because that would be a lie. I will mention some of the many good things this game has too.

  • The game is fun.
  • The plot is very anime-style. While playing its easy to think "i know what to do because this is what happens in animes".
  • The translations are very good.
  • Hilarious/adorable main character conversations.

If the game follows "anime-style plots" i hope it doesn't end with arche getting her elemental stone. Because that would be annoying: "spend all the game looking for the elemental stone so archer can use magic and the game ends just when you get it, meaning that archer won't use magic."

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Re: Its a good game, but it has many flaws.
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 12:15:29 PM »
No offense but it's painfully obvious you're still early on in the game.

1) Battles flow much more smoothly once you've got a few more moves to chain together for combos.
2) There are items to help you escape dungeons and revive characters you just haven't gotten that far yet.
3) 10% of your money to escape is nothing. This game doesn't punish you for dying so why not just keep trying? If you get to a point where you have almost no life and you really have to escape but don't want to spend the cash, just make a run for the entrance. Even if you die a few times along the way you still aren't penalized. I really don't see the point in complaining about the incredibly minor 10% penalty especially when it's entirely avoidable.
4) Stuff is expensive, so what? You know what I find boring? Those RPGs where you run straight from one town to the next and the stuff is so cheap or you have so much money that you can clean out the city and still have cash left over. You can't do that in this game which is the way I like it. You have to pick and chose which items you need rather than just buy one of everything. I especially avoid the staves since, unlike most RPGs, they don't increase your MAG stat and are therefore fairly useless for Sana.
5) As for the rest of your issues, practice, practice, practice.

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Re: Its a good game, but it has many flaws.
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 05:02:34 PM »
No offense but it's painfully obvious you're still early on in the game.

The game has 11 days, im in the day 5.

1) Battles flow much more smoothly once you've got a few more moves to chain together for combos.

Thats not what i meant.

What i meant is that i have to press a key 3-4 times before archer reacts while the enemy has "fast movement".

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 06:31:00 PM »
The game has 11 days, im in the day 5.
Right, you're still early on.

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What i meant is that i have to press a key 3-4 times before archer reacts while the enemy has "fast movement".
See #5.

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Re: Its a good game, but it has many flaws.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 06:32:21 PM »
Many valid points there, as far as I can tell. However they don't bother me much tbh.

Enemy AI being smarter than party AI is quite common in single-player games, because your party has brightest "AI" of the entire gameworld: you. The enemy AI won't use terrain to their advantage, won't deviate from a set path, won't equip any items nor devise new tactics to replace preset ones when the situation calls for it. The player however, can do all those things and more, so to account for this and balance it out, the rest of your team is 'dumbed down'.

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 07:10:49 PM »
The one and only issue I have with the team AI is that they can't follow you over non-terrain obstacles like when you have to ride the moving platforms or jump across pits on the hanging basket things, etc. Though that's rarely a problem since there usually aren't many enemies in rooms like that. It's still kind of annoying when there are enemies, though.

During battle, Sana heals me most of the time but I try not to rely on her (remember you can cancel quick-heal by pressing the button during the wait time so hit quick-heal when you're in danger and cancel if Sana covers for you before it gets used) and Stella does her nuke spells. Just make sure you turn off the less useful spells so they don't waste MP on them. And practice so that you can kill the enemies yourself instead of having Sana and Stella waste all their magic killing things for you.

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 07:35:11 PM »
Personally, I think that there are issues with the game.  From most to least important...

1)  Teleportation system, so we can quickly get to each major hub, dungeon entrance, and possibly the save fountains in those dungeons.

2)   Night-exclusive shops - they force the player to go shopping at a set time, and you can't go to them since you can't force Arche to wake up in the middle of the night.  The player has to go or lose out entirely.

3)  Save/Load extra dungeons - I would like to have the ability to replay the extra dungeon(s) that are available from the load menu, just in case I missed something.

4)  Arche's move combos.  - This one is a personal issue, but I still want to say it:  I HATE move combos.  I want to pull off Arche's moves with 1-2 buttons at the most.  Anything too complicated, like the combos in fighting games are a total pain in my opinion.  Being able to remap moves would be good, too.  Hopefully, Fortune Summoners II would be similar to River City Ransom EX, where the moves are simple and delightful.

5)  More anti-status gear or items that temporarily prevent status effects in advance.  Harpies and Bees are rather painful to encounter since they either put you to sleep or  confuse Arche into beating up her friends.  Receiving anti-status items in the appropriate areas as enemy drops would be nice.

6)  Stacking.  I like being able to condense my inventory and dropbox, it makes things more tidy.  The current way things are handled is rather poor, I think.

7)  There is no Fortune Summoners II.   :(

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Re: Its a good game, but it has many flaws.
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 12:46:48 AM »
I otherwise agree with these criticisms, but a few notes here:

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Can't escape dungeons unless spend 10% of money: The wind temple entrace is flooded with water so if you enter with sana and then, while exploring the dungeons, sana is defeated by enemies (something very common for a character with low HP) then you are trapped. You can't go forward because sana ability is needed and you can't go back because...sana ability is needed to escape. Which means that need to spend 10% of money for escape.

Just commit suicide by kamikaze and restart the current room for absolutely free. There are a handful of situations where this can't be done (no holes in the ground, f'rex, or your team is already seriously wounded/down one when you enter anyway), but the point of subtracting 10% for an escape is to offset the free retry-room you get.

I'm not too happy with Recall Lamps only appearing when you get to the catacombs and Teleportation being one of the very last things Sana learns, but still, many other ARPGs just outright subtract 10% $ from you *upon death* if you don't have a resurrecting item. You're getting a pretty generous deal here, considering that for some reason fewer people can play this sort of game these days.

Edit and PS: It's actually not possible to be trapped between 2 water bodies in the Wind Temple. Sana would not have learnt Mermaid Cloak by then (so it is impossible for Arche to follow Sana into a position where she cannot make it back on her own). And, switches do not reset: if you pulled the entrance switch it will remain pulled; the water level will not be reset.

You should be able to exit the dungeon safely with Arche if Sana gets KO'd halfway. I lost Sana there many times, I should know. <_<

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Expensive items: basically any armor that may make exploring a little easier cost 500 coins+.

Funnily enough, I agree with this - because every time I buy gear from the shops, up until the last 3 days, I find *that very same item* whilst exploring the dungeon, then hit myself for deciding to buy it because I just wasted half the price of the item. >.>

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  Harpies and Bees are rather painful to encounter since they either put you to sleep or  confuse Arche into beating up her friends.  Receiving anti-status items in the appropriate areas as enemy drops would be nice.

To be honest the only way to deal with status in this game seems to be pumping up MDef. Even the "Earrings" which Colm and the boys claim to protect against Confusion (and you'll get one for free) seem to just increase MDef.

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3)  Save/Load extra dungeons - I would like to have the ability to replay the extra dungeon(s) that are available from the load menu, just in case I missed something.

I think the bonus demo dungeon isn't in the full game...

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Characters AI is not smart: This is specially annoying with sana, that only uses shield and runs around the map instead of use her ice magic.

You'll need to micromanage her (and Stella) a little if you want her not to use certain spells. Turn the abilities off in the abilities menu, and AI Sana won't use them until you turn them back on (bad thing is, you can't either). When you get more than 9 spells you'll start seeing the entire point of disabling spells, since they all can't fit into the same "spellbook", and you'd want to turn off the L1 versions of any L2 spells you get.

Now, the fact that they can't jump on moving platforms with you, I agree.

Note: AI Sana will NOT cast Mermaid at all, so you can safely keep it active.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2012, 01:01:00 AM by Ultimate Chicken »

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Re: Its a good game, but it has many flaws.
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 01:21:30 AM »
I'm not too happy with Recall Lamps only appearing when you get to the catacombs

FAQs say that Recall Lamps appear in Korat first (item shop).

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Re: Its a good game, but it has many flaws.
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 01:34:20 AM »
...hm, my mistake. Catacombs was when I started making sure I always had one before heading in.

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« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 04:22:08 AM »
I think the bonus demo dungeon isn't in the full game...

It is but you only have the option of accessing it between finishing the prologue and starting the main quest. When you finish the prologue it bumps you back to the Main Menu and at that time the bonus dungeon can be accessed from the Continue Menu but it disappears once you start the main quest.

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 11:23:52 AM »
Character AI is actually very smart...and probably outsmarted you. Check your magic settings, because your allies will refuse to use certain skills on certain settings so see if you limited yourself there. Later on, the allies AI is really useful, especially when Stella constantly buffs Arche and Sana debuffs bosses on full magic setting instead of just spamming attack pointlessly.

Also, you can "force" Sana to use the spells you want by shuffling spellbooks. It's really simple.

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2012, 04:11:44 PM »
What i meant is that i have to press a key 3-4 times before archer reacts while the enemy has "fast movement".

If you have to press the key three to four times before Arche reacts, you're probably doing it wrong. Arche controls like a fighting game character, not a platformer character. I suspect your mistake is that you're expecting to be able to cancel any action into any other action; as in fighting games, once you've initiated an attack, you actually have to allow the attack animation to complete before you can do anything else. The enemies have precisely the same limitation - indeed, the basic strategy for fighting the faster enemies is to goad them into attacking thin air, then whack them while they're stuck in a recovery animation.

Of course, the enemy AI is smart enough to use the same trick on you. If you're constantly getting faked out by enemies that then proceed to whack you while you're in your own recovery animation, that might explain why the controls feel sluggish to you.

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 10:18:59 AM »
The control response is definitely fine. What I think you are complaining about is that you are not allowed to cancel your actions once you excute them. It's there to prevent you from spamming and it raise the difficulty up a notch. It's like how I have to wait for my attack to finish until I can attack again, but if I have learned a combo, I can execute two attacks seamlessly together rather than waiting for that "cool-down" period to end.

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 09:48:21 PM »
Also be wary of keyboard quirks, of which n-key rollover is but the beginning of a long and treacherous journey into finding out exactly which combination of keys fail to provoke a response from the game.

As an example, the only way I can reliably perform Arche's forward slash is to hit Forward, release, then Attack.