Not metal?

[pastacrusade]

I didn't look at the forums for this issue because I am a "savescummer" but this came up and I "had" to reload because it made no sense.  One of the main NPC's (maybe an adventurer) asked for "something metal" so I offered her a silver helm and she got all bent out of shape like I was the idiot.  It just irritated me enough to post, it doesn't brake the game.  Otherwise the game is going swimmingly.

Thanks,
Pastacrusade

P.S.
Let the noodles of the Flying Spaghetti Monster into you life.  The Fullness and completeness of pasta will overcome you.

[dkellis]

"Metals" and "Precious Metals" are two different categories.

[pastacrusade]

As a huge tabletop RPGr I dont really care what my +AC gear is made out of, so long as its a +.  I see you're point, but there is no know way I could have responded correctly unless I knew that little fact a head of time (BTW I didn't.)  I know silver and gold are different from iron and bronze but they are both "metal."  "Precious" and "Base" are good adjectives that (to me) clearly define what the material in question is.  I just wish that I had more "heads up" on that issue.

P.S.
Hove you started worshiping the FSM yet?

[joshrl]

If you want you can use the wiki to see if that item fits into that category.

I should probably update the wiki's theme... I'll get onto that soon!

[pastacrusade]

I appreciate that there is a wiki, and believe me when i say that I will be "all up in" the wiki  for me second play through.  I don't want to research a game that I am playing get the full experience(minecraft excluded )   Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on this game for (what I believe to to be) a single error.  I just want to point out and (less importantly) express to the creator my displeasure in that error.  I forget who said "the worst thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is perfect when it is not."  I like this game; but their next game, or a patch of this one, I hope will address this issue.  Like I said before, I understand the reason that silver is not a "metal," but i don't think that voids my point as well.

As always, thanks.

[joshrl]

Yup, I thought that might've been the case, I made sure to include "If you want" because of that possibility. 

Although for Minecraft I felt the opposite way, and decided to play my first single-player experience without knowing all the recipes and just guessing and trying to figure out the items in the game. It really was a fun challenge for me. 

Oh well, good luck!

EDIT:

I like this game; but their next game, or a patch of this one, I hope will address this issue.  Like I said before, I understand the reason that silver is not a "metal," but i don't think that voids my point as well.

Yeah, I understand, I think I made the same mistake too. It should've made sense to include a hint or reminder saying that there is a difference between the metals, with Tear mentioning it or something. Spacedrake will probably read this, but I doubt he'd be able to do anything about it. 

[pastacrusade]

Yeah, I guess you are right on Spacedrake not doing anything about it.  All i am really looking for is an "oh shit, good call" from the Dev team.  I know that could sound pompous, but responding to consumer feedback is I expect from an indie title.  Other then that one thing, I'm at day 38ish and I'm really liking the game.  I really wish I had more time to make more money, but that's the point

[joshrl]

Yeah, I guess you are right on Spacedrake not doing anything about it.  All i am really looking for is an "oh shit, good call" from the Dev team.  I know that could sound pompous, but responding to consumer feedback is I expect from an indie title.

Well it's not that he won't do anything about it, it's that he can't! Carpe Fulgur didn't make the game but only localized it. Spacedrake could talk to EGS (who are the original makers) and they could maybe fix it up for a patch, but it might be too late...

We'll see what he thinks, since I shouldn't be speaking for him anyway. 

[BlondRobin]

I actually remember finding this one while working on Recettear and making funny, confused faces at it for a while, but it's not a bug. EGS clearly differentiated between 'metals' and 'precious metals'. Now, we could use 'base metals,' but not everything under 'metal' is clearly a 'base metal.' Especially IIRC some of the 'this comes from weird ruins!' stuff might have trouble deciding if it should be base or precious metals, and furthermore I'm not sure a lot of people are familiar with the term.

It's an oddity, I agree, though. I'm sorry you had trouble with it.

[pastacrusade]

I just finished the game.  I ran into something similar but this time it was funny.  The first adventurer you meet came into my shop and wanted to sell an heirloom.  It was near the end of the game so I was expecting some kind of 20,000+ pix treasure.  What did he offer me?  A cherry.  At first I thought maybe this is a another little missed detail, but then i realized, that guy is just dumb enough to try a line like that and poor Recette is too nice too call him out on it.  I bought it just to be nice.

[joshrl]

The first adventurer you meet came into my shop and wanted to sell an heirloom.  It was near the end of the game so I was expecting some kind of 20,000+ pix treasure.  What did he offer me?  A cherry.  At first I thought maybe this is a another little missed detail, but then i realized, that guy is just dumb enough to try a line like that and poor Recette is too nice too call him out on it.  I bought it just to be nice.

Louie? Yeah, he's not the richest person. 

[namad]

Yeah, I guess you are right on Spacedrake not doing anything about it.  All i am really looking for is an "oh shit, good call" from the Dev team.  I know that could sound pompous, but responding to consumer feedback is I expect from an indie title.  Other then that one thing, I'm at day 38ish and I'm really liking the game.  I really wish I had more time to make more money, but that's the point

I think one reason no one posted saying good call is that this game has been out a long time, many thousands of people noticed the same thing you did, it's not an oversight.  your proposed change is just bad. metals and precious metals fits best! a lot of Japanese games have this distinction. the current setup is a good fit, and the truest to the original material! now maybe it would be easier to "read" and "understand" if the categories were combined, but using the term "base metal" would be nonsensical... "base metal" isn't even a term that anyone knows at all.  (bronze couldn't be a base metal could it? I mean it's an alloy? and non-precious metals just sounds silly and weird)...

for players familiar playing professionally translated japanes games by companies such as atlus and square enix, the distinction should already be fairly familiar.  the confusion is likely only to trip a player up once, causing them to immediately learn the difference with no real need to consult the wiki ever, and recettear is the sort of game designed around allowing players to easily make single mistakes (even fairly often).


so yeah, why would someone post and say "that's a good catch?" on something that was basically already settled/solved/discussed a year or two earlier :-p

[mozzery]

Silver is SO metal, I mean, it can kill evil things, is frequently made into weapons, etc.  It gets the Nathan Explosion seal of approval:)

Kidding around aside, I can see a joke between tear and recette about an object NOT being metal, or being metal with Recette saying something about how she thinks silver still is metal and Tear just having her *resigned sigh* face.