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"OH GOD I'M CRASHING WHYYYYYYY HELP" - Read this!
« on: September 11, 2010, 11:07:40 AM »
Greetings, sapients!

The launch of Recettear has gone pretty smoothly, all told; reviews are pouring in (all glowing), people are enjoying themselves, the game's still among the top 5 sellers on Steam and Robin and I haven't drunk ourselves into comas with worry yet!

There's a few small "polish" issues with Recettear which will likely be addressed in a patch soon. However, a few people are reporting larger problems: no music and/or sound, or the game crashes when it tries to play a sound, or similar issues.

This is bad for one reason: neither Carpe Fulgur nor EGS can reproduce these issues.

At all.

Quite simply, if the game had been crashing for us, we wouldn't have released it. We're committed to providing a working game, and we thought we'd tested the game across a reasonably wide spectrum of hardware and OSes (certainly as wide a one as our "budget" will allow). The constant among all of these machines, WinXP, Vista, 7, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, ATI alike is that we are seeing nothing like the crashes some people are describing to us.

As you can imagine, this makes it incredibly difficult for us to even diagnose what the problem is, let alone figure out how to fix it. And naturally, we don't have thousands of dollars to spend on extra testing hardware (let alone no guarantee that we could reproduce these issues!) which makes things even more vexing.

So what does this mean? Well, first of all it means that fixes for these issues are likely to be non-trivial and not especially fast in coming. EGS is pretty much going to be groping in the dark for the problem and how to fix it and will likely need time to sort it all out.

Secondly, though, it means you can help us out! If you're getting a crash, please post your system specifications, and if you can get it, a crashlog from Windows from when the game crashes on you. This will help EGS a great deal in narrowing down what's wrong and trying to fix it.

Thank you for your help with this, guys, and I'm sorry this is happening. We'll try to get it sorted, but it make take a while.

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"Is there any way to fix it at all", you may ask, though. Well, we do have a few suggestions:

- If you're using an ASUS Xonar sound card, please turn of GS3D in your card's driver options. This seems to cause crashes with Recettear (and a heap of other games, for that matter).

- If you're a Win2008 or Win7 user, try this:

To solve this problem you have to install DirectMusic. Installing newest DirectX won't work because apparently Microsoft deprecated that component and doesn't install it on newest operating systems (though files seem to still be included). Someone put together a nice package to install it on new operating systems here: http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/win2008r2/ms-directmusic-core-services . Installing older DirectX redistributables (~9.0), DirectMusic producer (here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=3f006f00-3900-4e14-85b5-266b75a5935f&displayLang=en) or ripping right files from newest redistributables might also work. Installing from the first link solved problem for me.

Remember to create a system restore point before mucking around with DirectX stuff, though!
« Last Edit: September 11, 2010, 11:10:10 AM by SpaceDrake »

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Re: "OH GOD I'M CRASHING WHYYYYYYY HELP" - Read this!
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 12:48:59 PM »
http://www.carpefulgur.com/forum/index.php?topic=13.45

My specs are here, I don't wanna make a mess of the thread, but if you'd like the full list here, I'd be happy to post them. Frankly, when I try to play the full game, when the first character appears, the gray haired fairy girl, the game crashes. Not only that, but there seems to be no music. Heck, I even had the guys of the Geek Squad look at it and they just scratched their heads.

They did the whole DirectMusic install thing from what I could tell, seeing as they messed around with my copy of Recettear a lot, but they couldn't figure out what was wrong.

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Re: "OH GOD I'M CRASHING WHYYYYYYY HELP" - Read this!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2010, 11:40:37 PM »
SpaceDrake. For people seeking technical support and doing bug reporting maybe we should make a thread like STO's one.

Also the thread that Shroob linked to is a bit cluttered.

Maybe you should recommend they paste their dxdiag reports to PasteBin instead?
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Re: "OH GOD I'M CRASHING WHYYYYYYY HELP" - Read this!
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2010, 07:06:31 AM »
A bug I noticed was that Tear's Merchant Level dialog doesn't display help text where it should.
It doesn't display the text for the ability you most recently earned and doesn't display the text for the ability you will learn next.

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2010, 10:41:29 AM »
SpaceDrake. For people seeking technical support and doing bug reporting maybe we should make a thread like STO's one.

Maybe you could use a support service like http://getsatisfaction.com/ or set up a bug tracker like http://www.bugzilla.org/.

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Re: "OH GOD I'M CRASHING WHYYYYYYY HELP" - Read this!
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2010, 10:45:43 AM »
A bug I noticed was that Tear's Merchant Level dialog doesn't display help text where it should.
It doesn't display the text for the ability you most recently earned and doesn't display the text for the ability you will learn next.

Fixed in 1.106, see the patch. It still doesn't display text for the next ability; presumably this isn't a bug.

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Re: "OH GOD I'M CRASHING WHYYYYYYY HELP" - Read this!
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 11:22:28 PM »
ok, finally discovered my problem, turns out my save files were corrupted :( :(

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 10:03:27 AM »
anyone having this problem? the game was working fine yesterday but then it crashed this morning and I dont know what is causing it. I remember steam did some updates and I wonder if that is causing troubles, the rest of steam games is working fine as far as I know.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 01:40:46 PM »
I forgot to save a crash log, but I found a consistent way to get Recettear to crash for me (it never crashed for me before unless doing this (I have a Realtek HDA controller)):
Play back anything using WASAPI (Vista+ only), foobar2000 with the WASAPI plugin is enough.
Run and try to play Recettear.
It will crash as soon as it tries to play any sound effect once you're inside the game (past the menu).

I didn't test 1.105, only 1.106.

Random speculation:
The engine does not check whether it has a valid sound output before trying to play sound effects once inside the game. Since WASAPI (in this example) takes exclusive control of the hardware, any attempt to open the sound output will fail, which is handled gracefully by the music and the menu code, but not checked by the ingame code. I suppose it will also crash like this if you run it on a computer without a sound card, or with disabled drivers.
If this is really the problem and it is fixed the easy way, you'll at least get all game but no sound on bad systems. Fixing it for the bad soundcards should be a lot more complex...

EDIT: OP mentioned needing to install DirectMusic for the game to work on NT 6.1 systems, I'm on Win7 x86_64 and it worked outside the box. Unless Steam did some trickery without I noticing :)
EDIT2: how to save / open a crash log in win7 anyway
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 02:04:55 PM by Kovensky »

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 11:21:41 PM »
played all the way upto the end again, then when i finish the game it crashes when it tries to load the new game+ features on the main menu, this seems to be the problem for me ever since steam did the 1.106 update

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 11:36:22 AM »
Installed the demo from Steam last week.
Couldn't play it with message: "Recettear Demo has stopped working." I was like,"OK, maybe some problems with Steam...as always."
So I went download the demo from other site.
Installed it in my PC - same result.
Download the demo from several sites, but received the same result.
Figured it might be something to do with my PC, so I tried it at my office's PC and guest what, the damn thing works!
That mean, something DEFINITELY got to do with my home PC.

FYI, my home PC OS is Windows7, while my office's PC's is Windows XP.
Any help would be pretty much appreciate.

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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2010, 04:22:00 PM »
Okay!

The newest patch made the game PLAYABLE! \o/

Sadly..... I have no sound... BUT HEY.... It's not crashing!

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 11:24:35 PM »
So I'll point out at this juncture:

If you're not getting any sound, it's you, not the game.

The crashes were being caused by Recettear's "cannot find sound device" exception not being handled correctly; instead of continuing without sound, the game crashed. The game won't crash anymore, but if the game is proceeding without sound, that means that for some reason Recettear cannot access your sound device. In Windows 7, you should check your user profile and ensure that you are allowing programs full access to your sound device as Win7 can sometimes restrict access to certain devices depending on configuration.

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 12:27:33 AM »
If you're not getting any sound, it's you, not the game.

Well, your computers settings would be more appropriate, but lets not play the blame game.  :)
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2010, 01:19:52 PM »
I have discovered a new crashing error, can diagnose part of the problem at least, and a partial solution:

Problem: Game crashes on startup when using fullscreen mode when previously it has worked fine.
Diagnosis: Recent changes are M!crosoft doing an update for mouse drivers (optical comfort 3000 or something like that).
Solution: Use taskmanager to end process on ipoint.exe then launch the game.  Cannot restart this process until finished playing. Other option if full screen mode isn't necessary is to play in a window, however I like the game to take up the full screen, and as the monitor is widescreen, using 'full screen' mode allows black bars to be used, instead of windows maximising a window causing it to stretch the perspective.

Suggestions to fixing this issue would be appreciated if I can do it this end.  (I do sometimes use the functionality given by ipoint.exe (and without it I cannot access the 4th button on the mouse).