Item list?

[changtau2005]

There's plenty of info on Lizsoft @ wiki - maps, exp charts etc.

Try this for where to find gear; use Google Translate
http://www20.atwiki.jp/lizsoft/pages/11.html

For the items from Deluxe, try
http://www20.atwiki.jp/lizsoft/pages/92.html

[Sabin Stargem]

Having used the codes, I have found that they are like Cinderella's ensemble: temporary.  Upon loading a saved game, they turn back into their original forms.  I also noticed that the code list doesn't have any of the Special Items, though I think that it would be necessary to make altogether new entries, so other important items don't get overwritten.  I also tried turning a sword into a slime bean, and Arche's father won't accept it, so there must be at least two addresses for items:  One to say "it is classified as this particular item", and another to say "It works mechanically like this", for purposes of combat stats or usage.  The code list must be the latter, I think.

[Siam]

Looks like you're right, Sabin! Well, that limits the usefulness of these codes to on-the-spot usable items, like the strongirl juice and other stat-improving items. A bummer for now, but I'm going to mess around with it a bit more and hopefully find the other address as well. Thanks for the heads-up! :)

[Sabin Stargem]

One of the cool and aggravating bits of trying to hack games is these little discoveries about how things work. 

[Siam]

It definitely is! :)

Just found that elusive address; it works like you thought, controlling item class independently from the item type/function code. For example, when a pot's class was changed to 'slime bean', Arche's father accepted that in the help quest, even though it still looked and functioned as a pot for any other purposes.

Also, a pot saved with 'slime bean' class turned into slime bean after reload, meaning that changes in this address are retained after save. So, looks like both of the above-mentioned problems are taken care of. Thanks again for your help! :-)

If you'd like to play around with the stuff, just offset the previous item address by -C to get the new one. Values are a bit of a problem though, as they don't seem to follow any logical order. Ones I've found so far:

Bronze Sword - 110010
Mattress Beater - 111010
Iron Dagger - 112020
Cloth Armor - 120010
Woven Gloves - 140005
Herb - 201010
Venom away - 201020
Menta - 201051
Taiyaki - 201052
Slime Bean - 201053
Honey - 201100
Merrin Gum - 201062

Can you make any sense of this? Feels like trying to solve the Da Vinci code... O_o

(btw. if your addresses shifted and don't have a pointer, you could find Money first, subtract 1FD8 from that address to get the item function address, then subtract C from that to get this new item class address... saves some time until pointers are found.)

[Sabin Stargem]

Ugh, numbers.  The single worst enemy that I have.  On the pointers, I sometimes use ArtMoney for finding them, since ArtMoney's pointer search is less memory intensive* and not as confusing to use when compared to Cheat Engine.  (Though I bet that Cheat Engine is more powerful, and trainers can be made with it.)

*I don't have enough space on my hard-drive to store Cheat Engine's pointer search, which removes it as an option for me, so I can't compare the effectiveness to ArtMoney.

EDIT:  It is late so I can't investigate further, but maybe items are grouped together by their class?  Try buying a bunch of different swords, and then compare their values after the -C is applied to their address. 

[Sabin Stargem]

Here's an expanded list.  It should be noted that wearing items like Stinger and Black Plate may be a bad idea in the prologue, because it seems like they invalidate saved games.  I am thinking that it is because these items are not part of the demo portion of the game in any proper sense.  I will have to play a bit more with this to figure out how to get around it, but I have noticed that I can boot up savefiles where I haven't yet put on the items.  It is possible that taking these items off before saving could avoid invalidation.

EDIT:  It seems that to advance in quality in an item class, add or remove "10" to the value.  For example, the Rapier is "112080", while the Black Rose is "112090".    I am guessing that the first three numbers of the value is the class of the item(sword, staff, rapier, ect), while the last three numbers determine the quality of that item. (bronze sword, iron sword, ect.)



SWORDS
Bronze Sword
110010

White Sword
110110

Stinger
110120


DAGGERS (Fire mage)
Rapier
112080

Black Rose (Fire Mage)
112090


ACCESSORIES
Saint's Brooch
160050


ARMOR
Chainmail (Arche)
120080


Master Mage's Clothes (Mages)
120100


Black Plate  (Arche)
120110


CAPES
Heroic Cape
150050

Merrin's Cape
150060

[Siam]

Great job, Sabin! Looks like you've got the codes for the best items already. :-)

I can confirm that the savefile gets invalidated in the prologue when the game saves with premium items being worn, but not when they're only in the inventory. (I restored the save from a backup I made, thanks to your advice.)

About the 10 value-interval, yeah many do that, but not all. For example, Merrin Card is 290080 and the Magic Ranger Card is 290085, with nothing in between. And then you get stuff like food, where the interval is only one: Menta-Taiyaki-Slime Bean-Walnut Chocolate-Fresh Milk: 201051-201052-201053-201054-201055
So yeah, it's not totally random, but far from the neat order that would be workable with Excel.

I'd like to get the full list, but it might take a while. Here is what we got so far, in order (including your findings):

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Bronze Sword
110010

Iron Sword
110020

Rusty Sword
110030

Shortsword
110060

White Sword
110110

Stinger
110120

Mattress Beater
111010

Iron Staff
111020

Iron Dagger
112020

Rapier
112080

Black Rose
112090

Cloth Armor
120010

Wooden Armor
120040

Chainmail
120080

Master Mage's Clothes
120100

Black Plate
120110

Woven Gloves
140005

Heroic Cape
150050

Merrin's Cape
150060

Saint's Brooch
160050

Herb
201010

Better Herb
201011

Venom away
201020

Revival Drink
201040

Melshee Chocolate
201050

Menta
201051

Taiyaki
201052

Slime Bean
201053

Walnut Chocolate
201054

Fresh Milk
201055

Sweet Mushroom
201058

Magic Candy
201060

Merrin Gum
201062

Chartreux Roll
201080

Honey
201100

Power Drop
202010

Tough Drop
202020

Good Child Drop
202030

Guardian Drop
202040

Strongirl Juice
202110

Mystery Juice
202120

Pot
290010

Merrin Card
290080

Magic Ranger Card
290085

Chest Sash
290090

Underwear [women]
290091

Underwear [men]
290092

Green Dress
511002

Red & Black Dress
511010

Green Hairband
515020

Yellow Hairband
515030

[Sabin Stargem]

Here's some more.

NOTE:  It is possible that Merrin's Cloak isn't the best cape/gauntlet, I need to compare it to other items.  The Heroic Cape has stronger defensive scores, but lacks the MP bonus and spell resistance.


Star Rod
111060


ARCHE'S ULTIMATE GEAR
110120 (Stinger, damage)
110130 (Cheep-Cheep, causes confusion effect)
110140 (Mage Blade, grants extra MP and mental strength)
110150 (Slime Slayer, extra damage against slimes)

120110 (Black Plate)
150060 (Merrin's Cape)
160050 (Saint's Brooch)


SANA'S ULTIMATE GEAR
111070 (Premium Rod, damage)
111080 (Sleep Staff, sleep effect)

120100 (Master Mage's Clothes)*
150060 (Merrin's Cape)
164060 (Silver Rosary)


STELLA'S ULTIMATE GEAR
112090 (Black Rose)
120100 (Master Mage's Clothes)*
150060 (Merrin's Cape)
161040 (Celebrity Ring)

*The Japanese guide mentioned Stella and Sana having an endgame armor, I suspect that it is the Moonfeather Gown, but haven't yet found it.  I tried 120120, which would only erase items.  Either the Moonfeather gown is a lower number in the armor category, or located in an separate area, such as 130XXX in my opinion.  

EDIT:  130001, 130005, and 130010 only erase items.  This probably means that there is nothing in the 130000 range.  Maybe the gown is a piece of clothing, not armor?


ITEM CATEGORIES

The first three numbers for an item code dictate the "class", of an item.  Currently known categories are:

110000 (Arche's Weapons)
111000 (Sana's Weapons)
112000 (Stella's Weapons)
120000 (Armor)
140000 (Gloves)
150000 (Capes)
160000 (Accessories)
201000 (Food)
202000 (Stat Boosters)


290000 (Odds & Ends?)
-Underwear, male)

541000 (Clothing? Green Clothes?)
-Green clothes

[Siam]

Nice findings! ^_^ I've added them to the list. (btw. I've also searched 120120, 120130 and 120140, all negative. Perhaps it is in clothes, like you say).

The ultimate gear grouping is quite useful, and the categories will help getting the rest nailed down. Great job! :-) (I'm thinking of updating the original item table with the new values once we got them all - how do you prefer to be credited as? Do you have a site/blog you'd like to have included?)


Stuff I found this round:

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Org Slayer
110070

Longsword
110080

Bastard Sword
110090

Battle Sword
110100

Mahogany Staff
111030

Wooden Sword
111040

Rune Staff
111050

Letter Opener
112010

Rondel
112030

Poison Dagger
112040

Lady's Dagger
112050

Magic Dagger
112060

Battle Dagger
112070

Leather Armor
120020

Thick Leather
120030

Bronze Armor
120050

Scale Armor
120060

Iron Armor
120070

Magician's Outfit
120090

Leather Cape
150020

Water Cape
150030

Fire Cape
150040

Defense Ring
160010

Anti-Poison Ring
160020

Sleepless Ring
160030

Blessed Earring
160040

Canned Salmon
201070

Cupid Doll
290023

Wig
290050

Blue Socks
501010

Orange Dress
511020

Green Smock
521002

Green Beret
525002

Red Ribbon
535010


And after a second round:

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Magic Ring
161010

Magic Earring
161020

Magic Bracelet
161030

Rabbit Doll
164010

Mermaid Scale
164020

Kitty Ears
164030

Crystal Skull
164040

Dragon Fang
164050

[Siam]

(A quick update: I've stumbled upon item function codes for Special Items just now. They're as follows:

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Custom Knife
7210704

Old Key
7211440

Stone Tablet
7213648

Memory Photo 1
7214384

Handmade Lunch
7215120

Love Letter
7215856

Wind Crest 1
7216592

Wind Crest 2
7217328

Wind Crest 3
7218064

Topah Herb
7218800

Handmade Tart
7219536

Taiyaki Sweet Sticks
7220272

Password Note
7221008

Pocketwatch
7221744

Thieves' Key
7222480

Tower Key
7223216

Water of Life
7223952

Cleitcaithream
7224688

White Whale Oil
7225424

White Iron Ore
7226160

Calming Cocoa
7226896

Sophia's Letter
7227632

Ultimate Wheat
7228368

Ultimate Bread
7229104

Glue
7229840

Poton Sap
7230576

Rozack Polish
7231312

Crypt Key
7232048

Archmage's Tower Key
7232784

Pitch Black Key
7233520

Memory Photo 2
7234256

Memory Photo 3
7234992

Memory Photo 4
7235728

Memory Photo 5
7236464

Memory Photo 6
7237200

Memory Photo 7
7237936

Memory Photo 8
7238672

The item class codes I don't know yet. The address is the same (or rather, any one of the standard item addresses, which increase by the interval of 10. Ie. to proceed from item1 to item2, add 10 to the address.)

[Sabin Stargem]

Looking at the stat boosters, it seems that it is possible for there to be sub-categories.  The first four items occupy 10 through 40, while the HP/MP boosters are 110 and 120 respectively.  I will have to check the armor category and see if 120210 yields the gown.*

202010 (Attack, Power Drop)
202020 (Defense, Tough Drop)
202030 (Spirit, Good Child Drop)
202040 (Guardian Drop)

202110 (HP, Strongirl Juice)
202120 (MP, Mystery Juice)


Judging from your item lists, it seems like that while we have Deluxe equipment with the values we are looking at, there are no Special Items that are associated with that version, such as the Black Ion.  This either means that the actual dungeon and special items are not in the game, or they lie further afield.


PS:  Credit me as Sabin Stargem, as that is my online persona.  I am planning to put together a Newgame+ file that includes all of the endgame equipment, what should I credit you as?


*Nope.  This is one tricky item.  I went ahead and checked with the mechanical effect codes to see how it compares to the master magician's outfit.  The defense is slightly weaker, but it offers more than twice the MP, which is quite handy for mages on a extended trip.

[Siam]

Judging from your item lists, it seems like that while we have Deluxe equipment with the values we are looking at, there are no Special Items that are associated with that version, such as the Black Ion.  This either means that the actual dungeon and special items are not in the game, or they lie further afield.

Could be either way, from what I saw today. When looking for item class codes for those special items, I found some gaps where items probably were placed and perhaps removed later. Check it out:

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Old Key
900002

Stone Tablet 1
900004

Stone Tablet 2
900005

Stone Tablet
900006

Handmade Lunch
900007

Love Letter
900008

Wind Crest 1
900011

Wind Crest 2
900012

Wind Crest 3
900013

Memory Photo 1
991001
It's also possible that the Deluxe special items are in a separate zone - the regular ones I've found here are also in their own zone, separated by 4-5 blanks from the main item list. I guess we'll know eventually.

I am planning to put together a Newgame+ file that includes all of the endgame equipment, what should I credit you as?

Going by SiamJai at most places, you can credit me as such. :-)

Too bad about the gown. I wonder, is it going to be the last item we'll find? :P But some good news: found some reliable pointers at last! They have been stable through multiple sessions during the last couple of days, unlike the previous ones that I've tried so far. It's out of the scope of this thread, but I'm going to send you a PM about it.

(btw, a tip: wrapping these long lists with the 'code' tag here helps prevent the lists from taking over the page. I'm going to format my earlier posts now.)

[Sabin Stargem]

I put together an readme that is going to be bundled with the savefile.  I will upload the file.  Here is the link, feel free to try it out.  

Fortune Summoners - Secret of the Elemental Stone - NG+ savefile, V1
https://sites.google.com/site/sabinstargemsvault/Fortune%20Summoners%20-%20Newgame%2B%20V1.zip?attredirects=0&d=1

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FORTUNE SUMMONERS: Secret of the Elemental Stone (NG+)

This is a Newgame+ file for the game Fortune Summoners: Secret of the Elemental Stone.  It starts the player at one of the earlier points of the game's prologue, right after the first visit to the mysterious cave.

The features of this savefile is the presence of endgame equipment from Fortune Summoners Deluxe, which is more powerful than you can get in non-deluxe playthroughs.  In addition to this, there are books in the game that can unlock skills earlier, which the player should search for.

You would find these items in the inventory.  Be sure to not sell them unless you don't mind potentially losing access to them.  Below is the list of equipment available.


ARCHE'S ULTIMATE GEAR
110120 (Stinger, damage)
110130 (Cheep-Cheep, causes confusion effect)
110140 (Mage Blade, grants extra MP and mental strength)
110150 (Slime Slayer, extra damage against slimes)

120110 (Black Plate)
150060 (Merrin's Cape)
160050 (Saint's Brooch)


SANA'S ULTIMATE GEAR
111070 (Premium Rod, damage)
111080 (Sleep Staff, sleep effect)

120100 (Master Mage's Clothes)
150060 (Merrin's Cape)
164060 (Silver Rosary)


STELLA'S ULTIMATE GEAR
112090 (Black Rose)
120100 (Master Mage's Clothes)
150060 (Merrin's Cape)
161040 (Celebrity Ring)



ISSUES:  The prologue of the game would invalidate savefiles that have the characters wearing equipment that can't be normally obtained during the prologue.  To get around this, wear equipment while playing the game, and take it off when saving your game.




CREDITS

SiamJai - The prime mover of this effort, Siam is responsible for finding the addresses, values, and pointers that made it possible to access equipment early, how to alter special items, and did most of the legwork.  Below is the link to Siam's website.

http://thaiwonders.com/design/


Changtau - Posted a link to a Japanese website that had some information about items.  We used this resource to confirm the presence of Deluxe items, and the lack of Deluxe special items.


Sabin Stargem - Me.  I figured out basic structure for how items are categorized, and how to determine the quality of equipment.  Also responsible for creating the NG+ savefile.

[Siam]

Hmm, I'd love to try it out, but I can't seem to get it to work. Copied the save file and replaced my own with it, but when I load data from the first saveslot, the inventory has no special items at all (and 428 coins... is that how many it's supposed to have?) Definitely different than my own, so the transfer was successful.


Perhaps the fact that I'm not a Steam user and this file was made in Steam? The CF guys have this to say about transferring save files:

3) Open the folder with your Fortune Summoners full game install (usually C:\\Program Files\Fortune Summoners\, C:\\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\fortune summoners\ for Steam users).
4) Paste the copied save files into the full version folder (CTRL-V).

Credits are nice btw. - very flattering! :-)